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PNC: “We Don’t Do Fraud” .. Except, Of Course, They Do

“We don’t do fraud,” said financial predator Elizabeth Stevenson, a self-described employee of PNC Bank when answering a question about a brazen, overt violation of the CARD Act.

PNC allowed a one-time, non-recurring debit card transaction to push a bank account $18.62 underwater, then went on to demand and collect $214.99 in overdraft fees, paying nothing except the $18.62.

Even that amount was triggered by the misuse of that same debit card for a series of questionable nickel-and-dime purchases by Internet vendors; the carcass of this account was well picked-over by predators.  But PNC, the bank that was supposed to protect the money, is by far the worst offender.

Stevenson’s co-worker, who goes by the nom de plum Alex “Jones” (Stevenson was appalled I had her real name) brazenly lied that the Federal Credit CARD regulation, which allows consumers to opt-out of debit-card overdrafts, only applies to checks.

Depending upon one’s interpretation this overt screw-you by PNC to Congress, the Federal Reserve, and banking regulators, either represents $214.99 in illegal fees — taking out the charge that should never have been processed — or 233.61 dollars, in that if these thieves this bank had followed federal law the charge would never have been processed.

Processing debit card transactions that have opted out of “overdraft protection,” which every consumer should, to push a balance to fall below zero, then assessing late fees, is absolutely, unequivocally banned by the Credit CARD Act.  There is no ambiguity on this matter; this was one of the key provisions of the CARD Act.  Despite Alex’s unsolicited legal advice to the contrary PNC is outright ignoring the law.

I some ways Alex’s advice was helpful, in that he verified charging overdraft fees on opted out accounts is a recurring “problem,” showing this is not a mistake but, rather, an pattern of overt fraud.

If PNC wishes to actually address the issue but doesn’t know Alex’s real name his direct dial phone number is 412-762-5638.  Somebody from the legal department might want to call and have a chat with him, or maybe the Federal Reserve, the CFTC, and FBI, the OCC, or any mildly hungry class-action plaintiffs litigator.  If anybody takes up the challenge, please tell Alex and his supervisors to preserve their all audio tapes in anticipation of regulatory action and litigation.  They’re in enough trouble without adding destruction of evidence to the list of wrongdoing.

Some schmuck at PNC probably believes the 1,155% ROI they brought in from this scam is brilliant.  Elizabeth sure did: she laughed at the notion anybody would sue the bank for “a little over $200.”

Luckily Congress thought the cost-benefit analysis better than the scam artists at PNC; the stunt will cost them $5,000 for each violation.  If the class-action is filed in a loser-pays state a plaintiffs firm can net tens of millions of dollars with not much work than PNC did the $215.  You see, PNC’s own computers will do most of the work;  I’d be happy to help show how.

PNC received $7.6 billion in bailout funds, which you’d think would make them grateful, or at least vaguely law-abiding.  Instead, they’ll probably ask for another bailout to cover their fraud costs.

PNC has obviously taken their cue from the Obama-Geithner Doctrine, the doctrine that anything that inflates a bank balance sheet, including outright criminal behavior, is good public policy.  It’s clear that the Panderer in Chief sees these behaviors as a net positive, because they increase bank balance sheets.

Given the actions of the Federal Government in the MF-Global fiasco — they’ve done nothing — it’s clear that simply stealing deposits is included in Obama’s list of acceptable banking activities.  It’s only a matter of time until banks start stealing deposits, PNC/MF-Global style, and label the behavior a brilliant business strategy.  I can just hear a bank executive testifying, “who would leave their money just sitting there, in our depository .. the depositors should take more personal responsibility in protecting their own funds,” they’ll sneer.

It will be interesting to see if the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), which was set up to address exactly this type of scheme, does anything.  This violation is so egregious, so illegal, and so well documented it will serve as a canary in a coal-mine.

Just to be clear, this was not an ACH payment, nor even a recurring debit-card payment; this was an ordinary debit-card payment, on a verified opted-out account, that resulted in fraudulent overdraft-fees vastly larger than the amount charged.  Enabling small charges on opted-out accounts then assessing steep fees is  exactly what the Credit CARD Act was created to prohibit.

Predatory PNC appears to be following a pattern from their thuggish older cousin Citi.  Not long ago an alleged Citi whistleblower who sent me what they claim is a Citi collection script, as well as their internal settlement guidelines.  I’ve been working to verify the authenticity of that chilling document which looks and sounds authentic.

If accurate then Citi routinely steers debtors into raiding their retirement funds, despite that every low-level collection agent has authority to wipe-out 2/3rds of credit-card debt, and up to 90% with further approval.  To enable Citi to steer American’s into raiding their 401K’s Citi received $45 billion in bailout money, plus a government guarantee on the pile of junk debt they’re siphoning out of retirement accounts.

Once upon a time people traded in gold and silver.  That was dangerous since thieves could see the bulky gold and silver then easily rob the person.  In response banks sprang up, and issued private notes to be used in place of gold and silver.

That is, people once put their money in banks to keep it safe from thieves.  Now it’s become apparent the thieves are in charge at many of the banks, allowing them to skip the inefficient mugging process.

Back in the day you had a literal fighting chance, you knew you’d been robbed, and if caught the robbers faced harsh justice.  These days, computers enable thugs like PNC’s Elizabeth and Alex to do the same, then have the gall to label their practices “business.”

Thanks to the Obama-Geithner Doctrine the US has transformed from a place where banks had to earn the trust of people to where people are entirely at the mercy of lawless banks.  Timmy’s sneer makes a better Sheriff of Nottingham than any actor I’ve seen play the role.

Needless to say, allowing these banks to operate in this manner, much less thrive, is terrible public policy.

Not long ago Elizabeth, Alex, and whoever their crime boss is would have been thrown into a dank dungeon, joining Jon Corzine who would have been hanging by his wrists for months already.  It’s long past time we returned to those good old days.

  1. thetravelblab
    April 16, 2012 at 3:52 pm | #1

    The same thing happened to me last Thursday! I signed up for the opt-out option for both of my PNC checking accounts as soon as the law took effect a year or so ago. However, on 4-12-12 I made two purchases with my debit card, not realizing I did not have enough money in my account to cover them (I mistakenly thought I had made a money transfer earlier that day) but the purchases went through and, lo and behold, I had two NSF charges show up on my account the next day totaling $72.00! I called the bank twice and was told that the manager was busy. I left messages but he never called me back. So I went there in person today to ask that the NSF charges be reversed but he told me that he was not able to do that. He did confirm to me via his computer screen that both accounts were indeed signed up for the opt-out optiion. He further said that if I called the PNC 800 number I would simply be bounced back to him, Yes, you are totally correct — PNC is blatently breaking the law! I can’t believe that they are getting away with this! I also can’t believe that they actually think I would continue to bank with a bunch of crooks. I will be closing my accounts with them pronto! Thank you for the great, factual, eye-opening article!

  2. April 16, 2012 at 4:11 pm | #2

    I’d strongly urge you to file a complaint with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the new federal agency set up in part to enforce CARD Act violations. It is important that they see there is a pattern of fraud so they can levy appropriate fines. In the interim, move your money to a small bank or credit union. PNC has obviously decided to brazenly violate the law, probably with an expectation that nobody will do anything about it. Let’s hope the CFPB, which has the authority to levy fines up to $5,000 per violation, proves them wrong.

    Here is the address to file a complaint: the process is fast and easy.
    http://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint/

  3. Susan
    October 5, 2012 at 1:19 am | #3

    Good information here. I’m battling PNC for the second time since late July on a total – this time – of $144 in service charges to my debit card thanks to PNC’s “reordering” of my transactions.

    Last Friday, September 28th, I made a $20 cash withdrawal, and made purchases of $30, $60.52, and $7.98. All were ok as I had several hundred dollars in the account and all of these transactions posted to my account that same night. The NEXT DAY, Sept. 29th (a Saturday, I might add) I mailed a bill in the amount of $500.

    Yet, miraculously on Monday morning, October 1st, my transactions were all re-ordered, starting with the $500 check — which again, was mailed the day AFTER the previous transactions had already been posted – and going from largest to smallest (magically re-dating my 4 smaller transactions from Sept. 28 to October 1st), and triggering four overdraft charges of $36 apiece.

    As of yet, I have received no refund for any of these charges. A similar situation happened in July. I called the toll-free “Help” line and was told that I needed to speak to my local branch manager in order to get the charges removed. I left numerous voice mail messages and visited the bank numerous times until I finally met this guy – almost a month after the original transaction – at which point he was only “allowed” to remove three of the four $36 charges.

    I looked into getting overdraft protection, but the bank tells me that my account is “not eligible” for this. Interesting.

    Not sure where to go from here, but at this rate, I’d be better off leaving my money out on the sidewalk where it would be safer!

    - Not a Happy PNC Customer

  4. Ticketman
    February 28, 2013 at 9:09 pm | #4

    You really don’t understand REG E at all if you think that it makes debit card overdrafts illegal. The main problem with the regulation is that there are merchants that do per-authorization transactions. See when you swipe your card a hold is placed for a certain amount till the merchant requests payment. Sometimes these holds are only for a certain dollar amount that might not be what is posted by the merchant. The fact that you want the bank to babysit your money and you need the government to help you manage your money is laughable and sad. If you don’t have the money then don’t spend it. All these regulations are suppose to protect us but from what? ourselves?

    - A responsible citizen that doesn’t overdraft his account

    • March 1, 2013 at 11:39 am | #5

      Let’s start with the basics: YES, people do expect banks to “babysit” their money, otherwise they would put cash under their beds. If this is the some new push to define the responsibilities of banks to NOT protecting people’s deposits it is beyond the pale. People do not put money in banks so that bankers can lend it out and steal it at will; the fees and lost interest are how banks are PAID to “babysit” their money.

      As for me I had a debit card tied to an account with a purposefully low balance for my young teenage son. Some online game place charged for the same game three times. Assuming that my son would not purchase the same game, for the same computer, three times in an hour, he’d run into a scam artist. My bank was SUPPOSED to guard against that and, instead, ran the charges through even AFTER the balance was under despite that they had been SPECIFICALLY told not to do so.

      I received a class action slip on PNC overdraft charges so it sounds like their garbage “business” practices (real business does not include fraud) are beginning to catch up with them.

      Reg. E is VERY clear; this practice is prohibited. It is illegal and banks that engage in debit-card overdraft charges for consumers who have NOT opted-in. I specifically made sure I was opted-out, but it is really the banks responsibility to make sure people opt IN, not OUT.

      Banks that engage in these behaviors, like PNC, are nothing more than thieves. They are no better, and they’re arguably worse, than crooks that sneak into somebody’s house and steal $30-40 cash, or whatever their fee is. They should be treated like thieves, with prison terms for all involved, lest people stop using banks to “babysit” their money. The notion that their customers have a “responsibility” to protect themselves from theft by their own bank is analogous, at best, to blaming victims of violent crime for failing to fend-off the criminals.

      There are banks that respect their customers; who understand they ARE being paid to “babysit” — to protect and watch over — the safety and security of their customers funds. PNC is obviously not one of these banks. Since government seems to be doing little maybe the market will adjust and those shopping for banks will choose one that takes their obligation to “babysit” customers money more seriously than PNC does.

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